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Pat ruse and he was sampling doing DNA samples from cats in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. Yes. Infinite Scroll Enabled. Caller: It had just left that field and was out. You know you have to have a license and it's hard to get that license a license to own a mountain lion. Why are there so many false positives? But those who called the New Hampshire Fish and Game officer were told the last time a mountain lion was seen in the state was in the 1850s, and it's unlikely they have made a return. Caller: Hi. And boy it was big it had to be at least 200 pounds the thing was you and and it just made a little bit of noise and it was gone. So there is definitely no downward pressure by anyone. So Marty can you see what I'm getting at is the public sees different names and thinks that they're different animals but it's all the same animal. If you go on YouTube and search mount lion Pat you can see people patent their hundred pound kiddie like its regular mascot cat. brings a lot of. Peter Biello: Nice to be here. Its actually fairly reasonable to believe that mountain lions do, at least, pass through occasionally. Absolutely. Our guests today Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in. Course like Sue said you have to see it and it's not always that visible. He shifted gears in 2016 and began producing Outside/In, a podcast and radio show about the natural world and how we use it. His work has won him several awards, including two regional Edward R. Murrow awards, one national Murrow, and the Overseas Press Club of America's award for best environmental reporting in any medium. I've had a number of people call up and say I found a scout in the woods and I want it DNA identified. Join as a sustainer and support independent local news for your community. Patrick Tate: Okay. Just. There's never, ever, ever, ever been a documented case of a black mountain lion. Today she talked with us a little bit before the show about why the mountain line is so compelling and why we want it to be part of our world. So one thing I'll add. Novartis sold $1.1 billion worth of Gilenya in the U.S. last year, a 19% drop from 2021 that was caused in part by generic competition, according to . Mountain lion DNA was recovered from a Petersham, Mass., close to the New Hampshire border, after a 2016 incident in which a horse was injured. The next week, on June 11, the cat was hit and killed by an SUV on the Wilbur Cross Parkway in Milford. The second story window through about 30 feet away from it. Are there other powers that be worried that scary mountain lions will scare off people from camping in New Hampshire. But my experience was that the majority of these accounts could not be taken lightly. Peter Biello: So a little bit of nostalgia maybe for it for a better world embodied in the mountain lion. I mean so what what is the practical change that it would bring to New Hampshire if any. A monthly donation of $5 makes a real difference. My YouTube Channel NH Fish and Game YouTube Channel My Facebook Page My Weekly Live Stream on the NH Wildlife Federation FB Page Home About Eric 2022 NH Nature Notes NH Wildlife NH Wildlife Deer Deer in NH The big cat has been extinct at least the eastern mountain lion has been extinct here since the mid 80s hundreds. New Hampshire Public Radio | There was a lot of DNA evidence. I mean it wasn't your idea. Yes and you want to share what you learned. And so maybe before I go to you recommend I ask you Patrick Tate is the standard too high. Since then, there have been a handful of confirmed mountain lion sightings in the Northeast, although most have been thought to be escaped captive animals. Peter Biello: Sam I wanted to ask you a little bit about that first and then turn to Patrick Tate efficient game. You need a permit to have that. There have been several sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. The best documentation we have in New Hampshire suggests there hasnt been a mountain lion killed by a hunter in this state since 1885. It was determined that Mountain Lion came from the Dakotas across the Northern part of our country . He played a pivotal role and he battled for recognition. The second one was not only fresh but when I actually put my hand on it it was you know smelled like cat and I it's there's no denying a fresh mountain lions get if you can tell it every story that KOAT. Mountain lions remain an enigmatic animal for residents of New Hampshire, with New Hampshire Fish and Game reporting three to five sightings per week. Patrick Tate: I've from all the situations I've read and learned about wildlife. About two years ago I was at the Laconia airport on the way home from the airport and there's a big lake on one side called Lily Pond. Which brings us to the next question, what are the odds that some of these reported sightings (which, when I posted about this on twitter, I immediately started to get as well) are actually people seeing a mountain lion? Have it reported down in the Keene area. Patrick Tate: It became a very interesting investigation over time because it started becoming. He studied Politics and Spanish at Bates College, and before reporting was variously employed as a Spanish teacher, farmer, bicycle mechanic, ski coach, research assistant, a wilderness trip leader and a technical supporter. I'll send it to you. So what counts as verifiable evidence? Sam Evans-Brown: Certainly that is a thing I've heard but again you have to think of the incentives involved here. Someone's got to see one they're very secretive. Tim Yeah. For evidence of a free-roaming, wild and native mountain lion, we must look back to 1874. So I learned about what Rick just reported through a heart of heart of New Hampshire a letter and. Its impossible to say, but I think the odds are pretty good that some of these sightings are legit. Sunny today high temperatures low to mid 80s it'll be clear tonight overnight lows in the 50s for tomorrow sunshine with high temperatures mid to upper 80s. The last documented individuals in the entire Northeast were killed in New Brunswick , Canada, in 1932, and Maine in 1938. As recently as 2011 there was one young male mountain lion that cruised all the way from the black hills of South Dakota, up over the Great Lakes, down through New Yorkgetting spotted all along the waykilled a beaver near the Quabbin Reservoir in Central Massachusetts, left behind prints and DNA at that site, and then was hit by a car in Connecticut. Peter Biello: Well John thanks very much for the story really appreciate it. I just want to tell you a story that I read. Kyle I think about Rick Tate wants to jump in here. County road and all of a sudden a big cat jumps out of the woods over a stone wall stood in the middle of the dirt road as I rode towards it. When the federal Endangered Species Act came along, the Eastern Cougar (Puma concolor cougar), the subspecies of Mountain Lon ti hat orgi inally occurred I think that you probably are. Caller: It had to be a mountain lion convinced I was about 30. And when provoked no animal could stand before him elegantly put. It all used to be based on measurable physical traits color, skull size, paw size, etc but now its based on whether an animal can be shown to be genetically distinct from others. It's listed as population of least concern. Well thanks for sharing. If you missed part of today's program listen to the exchange. If youve got photo trap evidence of a Mountain Lion, send it in, and we'll send it along to the appropriate state or federal agency! Peter Biello: We at this e-mailed comment from Michael. The last known mountain lion killed in New Hampshire is displayed at the Woodman Museum in Dover. MicroBios. There wasn't a distinct subspecies the North American mountain lion is all is all one species and then you can find a genetically distinct South American subspecies. That's what we're seeing is dispersing mountain lions from the West who are just making their way through. Sam Evans-Brown: So I just had two thoughts which is that we hear a lot of these stories and all of us here have heard these stories. Border We speculate they dont want us to screw up tourism we dont know whats going on. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at publicfile@nhpr.org. There's always been physical evidence to prove those situations like hair or fur scat hair prints pictures of the animal print scat hair. Is there a way we can learn more about these dispersing mountain lions that may travel through the Granite State and that I would ask you certainly part about whether or not a he's spending too much time chasing down these kind of false leads or B would rather be doing something else that is more informative to whether or not we actually have or can prove that we have dispersing mountain lions in the state. So I don't understand really how how this this idea came to be but it is the main reason why folks believe that fishing game is is covering up the fact that there are mountain lions in the state again with no evidence. This is not the same as saying that there has never been a mountain lion seen in New Hampshire. And I just said I saw I saw they from behind the shoulder all the way past the long tail. I mean no doubt a seen Bobcat seen his stuff. Peter Biello: When did you allegedly see a mountain lion. Patrick Tate: Well. The last catamount in Vermont is finally, officially, certainly dead. OK. And to anyone listening I would just say you know fishing game who wants proof right. The report came in from a conservation officer. The term is because mascots notwithstanding right that they're referred to with a lot of different terms and sometimes they can be confused with a lot of different terms. So for those reasons I don't believe the standards are too high the amount of game cameras out on the landscape to record images department alone through contracts had over 150 throughout the state biologists go through various deer yards throughout the year. Patrick Tate: So I'm not sure what subspecies of cat they're using to differentiate by those markings but once she was describing the White other face in the black. She quotes a biologist in Lyme New Hampshire who who is keeping two mountain lions himself so in the not too distant past in the early nineteen hundreds it was perhaps more common and still in Maine. It was killed in Lee New Hampshire in 1853. And that the Florida panther was more closely related to the eastern outline than the western mountain lion was. Rick van de Poll: Rick your thoughts. And we want to know your stories if you have them 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 or email exchange at an HP bar dot org we'll talk about conspiracy theories when we come back. Patrick Tate: No downward pressure at all I think actually Sean turned up and we found the evidence there a number of people would finally say finally we can put this debate to bed. I'm sorry go ahead you're on the air. We we hear that there is allegedly a government conspiracy to deny the existence of mountain lions here in New Hampshire so I guess a local government conspiracy. And I saw you cat about four feet long from nose to tail come across from the water across the road and just leap over a six foot perimeter fence in a single bound. And now that everyone and their mother has a remote camera in their back yard its just so, so unlikely that there are resident, breeding mountain lions in New England that are living invisibly among us, he says, Its become Big Foot.. I believe I saw one that's fine and I'm not looking for an immediate story. Think you've seen a mountain lion? This animal, IMHO, was probably live caught as an adult from the wild and brought to the . It's not an emerging endangered species no work no there are there are populations in specific states so the Florida panther is is an endangered species that sub population is in fact listed under the Endangered Species Act. May 18, 2012 Mountain Lion Killed In Conn. However, dispersing western mountain lions have left evidence as close as Connecticut, Massachusetts and New York. We discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. Patrick Tate: In theory it's a passing ball of a court and it goes wherever the bottom Ball wants to go. It was a 3:45 pm on the east side of the river . SYCAMORE, Ill. (AP) A mountain lion that was struck and killed last weekend along a northern Illinois highway will be analyzed by biologists seeking to uncover the rare animal's origins, state . So there's even debate about that very subject. And today we're talking about the mysterious elusive mountain line with folks who know something about it. And I I have this great text history of New Hampshire game and fir bears and I think by Helen Silver who used to work for fish and game and she sort of I kind eyes this animal in one of the quotes from 1892 stating that the catamaran was the most ferocious of all the wild beasts of New Hampshire his great size strength and agility of movement together with his formidable weapons rendered him the terror both of man and beast. It's got a a smudge of black and bobcats and links just don't have that we don't have any other cards. Peter Biello: This is NHK PR Good morning and HP are summer car raffle is back and now's the time to get your early bird tickets. And it came out we could see it had and we could see its long swooping tail. So for me as a person who's had the Bobcats right off my grits similar carries sticks to a bobcat The Long Tail obviously very different but those facial markings were overlapping for me. You're on the air. Does not test random Scouts. So let's let's go to the phones. And I can recall its information but I can't confirm or verify anything. After apparently trying unsuccessfully to get the young lion to leave, the man decided to shoot it. We live around Cold Springs Campground and it was undeniably a mountain lion. Really appreciate you guys being here as well. A lot of times. Peter Biello: Oh okay. Pat humans people leave deer carcasses up in trees. They're very loyal to what the handler which makes them very dangerous to everyone else. I really really enjoyed listening to this program so thank you all very much. Oh you saw him online. Caller: I got home to my wife that a gene that you should have seen the cat. And sometimes I've seen pictures of those where it's the question is What is that is that a bobcat. Patrick Tate: So I just got to throw a little interesting side note in this. There are corollaries in other states. And those and that's how you can go from a story that Pat says I have nothing to say about that to a story that you know could be the first verified sighting in over 100 years. When you talk about a bobcat Bobcat maybe 80 90 pounds and then a mountain lion could be between 130 and 180 pounds. I saw that had this giant the bobcat had this giant sweeping which is John Bobcat don't have big sweeping tails. Mountain lions live in the state. Tell us your story. They absolutely do. New York on Easter Sunday. So and so they so they do get pretty involved. She was having a garden party on her back porch and everybody in the party saw this mountain lion across the field down below the porch. They create these big latrines that are very obvious. First off if the standard for an agency to go forward with the public and put out a press release that them outlines here their believers are going to say I told you they'd been here the whole time. Artculos cientficos; Artculos de divulgacin; Menu 50 feet above the most. But but I've also seen it cited the opposite way that look they're very secretive. He said matter of fact I do. Peter Biello: Worth mentioning if we're scaring anybody question a mysterious mountain lions lurking perhaps in someone's backyard. So. Peter Biello: Wow. Do you get a lot of these these these things that end up being hoaxes. (Cue the X-Files music: The Government is denying the cougars exist!) This decision was primarily for nerdy phylogeny reasons, though, because the eastern cougar probably never existed. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at publicfile@nhpr.org. We'll hear from her periodically through the show. We're not in the woods. I can't tell you what you saw but it sounds like a mountain lion. Listeners we'd love to hear some of your thoughts on this. Can you tell us about that story. NHPR is nonprofit and independent. Something along those lines. But no proof was offered. The species that once inhabited the Northeast, known as the eastern mountain lion, is now extinct. For all the men out there that don't realize it. I noticed it had a really big sweeping tail that kind of curled up behind it and all but still at that point because everyone says there's no mountain lions here. "Of those three to five reports, one. Peter Biello: Yeah some of what she was saying sounds like it would require getting pretty close or at least having a nice zoom lens right Sam like. So so do what you can get to do what you can to get proof. The nonbelievers are going to say Show us your evidence and show us prove this to us. Give today. John is calling from Bennington. Peter Biello: Let's go to Mike in Epping. They don't know the direction they're going. Peter Biello: They make great mascots at least. And it's not really strong. More than 450 Facebook users as of Thursday had shared a photo Marc Weir posted Wednesday showing the big cat and . And there are thousands of mountain lions killed every year legally through hunting, and there have been untold tens of thousands of mountain lions killed by hunters over the last hundred. But along the lines of the conspiracy theories as you mentioned earlier there there was a bit of a sense on behalf of what I'll call the promo online community who felt that fishing gain maybe not even so much in a spoken policy but maybe sort of an unspoken policy did not want to find themselves in a situation where they had to spend money to create a management plan and so forth. The last wild mountain lion in New Hampshire may have been killed in the White Mountains in 1885. Based on this blurry photo and pawprints, DEEP confirmed it was likely a mountain lion. Mountain lions leave a lot of sign. Patrick Tate: So one thing I'd say is DNA would definitely identify an animal animal's Mark line or not. You know one of the the biggest questions I have about that is it points to how much we don't know and if in fact we don't know enough. Sam Evans-Brown has been working for New Hampshire Public Radio since 2010, when he began as a freelancer. Peter Biello: Ok weird question but do they make good pets. And listeners this has been a lively conversation we're sorry we didn't get to all the the e-mailed comments and the phone calls your stories are appreciated even if we didn't get a chance to hear them today. Patrick Tate: Yes. Not one picture of him online while the person meet with us. I was at the Sentinel as a reporter there for about four years and during that time I probably wrote close to a half dozen stories or so on this topic including a lengthy feature at one point that in which I spoke to several people from around the banana region claimed to have seen mountain lions that at one time or another. Rick van de Poll: 80 90. The exchange is a production of New Hampshire Public Radio. It's bigger but bigger and better world. So we tossed these terms around but really the term subspecies has been sort of redefined in our lifetimes. The number 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 so promised a discussion about conspiracy theories. Patrick Tate: So I agree with what Sam said in part that their ability to go undetected for amount of time but ultimately it was detected. Patrick Tate: Exactly I was gonna bring that up juvenile male of. Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife Biologist thanks very much for being here this morning really appreciate it. But also I think it proves the opposite point which is that sometimes they're pretty secretive because all the way from Minnesota where the where was the first time was picked up on a game camera to New York. I'm gonna send you a letter that we researched this report and we spoke with those labs and the lab wrote in their letter to us that they could only say that Scott contained white Tea Party fur and that they could not say what deposited the scout because it's far too degraded listeners we'd love to hear from you about your mountain lion sightings if you have seen one or if you if you think you have give us a call we'd love to hear your story 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. So I certainly can't dispute anything that they said there's no evidence for me to go by to verify or say what my thoughts are on the situation. Peter Biello: So let's say Rick that it was confirmed that there that there are mountain lines here in New Hampshire. Peter Biello: There have been several alleged sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an PR. Any sense of of whether or not mountain lions are sort of wary of more population dense areas like like the one he was describing Rick. Now Bobcat is a completely different species. for some excitement. Rick shaking his head so Rick now correct me please. Give us a call if you have a question or comments or story about perhaps seeing a mountain lion here in New Hampshire. So I want to start the program with a comment from someone who is not in the studio with us today. It was some sort of a Lion Mountain Lion animal. He writes As a farmer I come across many outdoorsman looking to hunt our property had a conversation with one who believed very strongly that we had mountain lions in New Hampshire. I would say that there's going to be the truth in here somewhere. It's not a skinny rope like tail like a housecat. A young male cougar weighing about 40 pounds was shot and killed this week near Whiteclay, Nebraska. There is some information that suggests that it spent a portion of its time in Massachusetts near the Claiborne reservoir. And you know all that. The last wild mountain lion in New Hampshire may have been killed in the White Mountains in 1885. All of that remains unanswered but it is an extremely interesting question. Known to exist in the state for over well over a hundred years. The experts' take on what happened last Saturday when a mountain lion killed one cyclist and injured another outside of Seattle. Wed love to be part of the first verified sighting. We're gonna talk about sightings in this part of the program as well we'd love to hear your story. Thanks for taking my call. And a lot of people around the county airport have seen a lot of pilots coming in said they saw huge. Well let's hear from from Sue Morse again science director for the organization keeping track. Rick van de Poll: Well a report that you know as John Harrigan up north has in co-ops County for about 15 years I kept track of reports and people would call me and tell me where they saw the mountain lion they thought they saw it and it varied right from you know downtown villages all the way to remote highlands of the North Country and and everywhere in between. Peter Biello: Listeners give us a call if you have a question or a story of a sighting 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Okay. And they used to be this whole list of the different subspecies of mountain lion and it has since been reduced to just to the North American and the South American. The sightings have not been confirmed; in fact, there have been no confirmed mountain lion sightings in New Hampshire since one was shot and killed on the seacoast in the 1850s, said Patrick Tate . Peter Biello: Well hey Rob. Mike thanks for your call. They peaked in . They were able to do all that by genetics. Now again I don't know that there's anything to that. SUE Morse naturalist and science director for the organization keeping track. I had a resident in New Hampshire tell me a story of a mountain lion in the 1960s where a person who would come summer in New Hampshire and then live in a different part of the country in the winter had a trailer that was housing his mount line. Theres a project called the Cougar Network that tracks verified sightings, and they are all around us: Massachusetts, Connecticut, Maine, New York and New Brunswick have all had verified sightings over the past 20 years or so. You know I'm like seriously I can't get a picture of the thing but what it what it is. This is a machine-generated transcript, and may contain errors. So we're fixated on natural but there's other possibilities. Patrick Tate: Martin Like what about Panther Panther saying animals same animal and like a bit of trivia Guinness Book of World Records says the animal with the most names is in English alone they're supposedly 40 names for Mount lion. So for our scientists to do the lumping and whatnot. It was a 140-pound male mountain lion, the first confirmed in Connecticut in more than 100 years. But the state always denies it, and none of us know why they deny it. By Eric Orff. The DNA the DNA that they were able to pull from the cat suggested that it was a dispersed mountain lion that came. Me Im willing to believe its possible that there are some out there. Still, it's been over 100 years since the last mountain lion was killed east of the Mississippi, except for a patch of them down in Florida, where there are supposed to be 100 to 200 still living. Patrick Tate: So it's very typical. He told me that on one of his many scouting trips for Black Bear he found a deer carcass up in a tree. Reviewing the evidence, the U.S. I live pretty much on the town line of Greenfield just a couple of miles down in the Greenfield. I mean there was this one lady I remember and tough tomorrow. Mountain Lion report and as a biologist for the state that's a situation where if he said to me what did I see. So I think the point that I just want to get across is that there is a very strong sense this here in the and not region that there is that there is some sort of mountain lion population how large it is how extensive it is. That's pretty elaborate. Patrick Tate: It's wow interesting that you brought this up because I've had people report I saw cardamom. We'll also hear your stories if you have them again. and territorial animals are much more inclined to create a problem with passer bys than dispersing animals in fact I'd be totally shocked if a dispersal would encounter with a human purposefully unless they had already had some type of training to do so. You need you need either a really good photograph or you need you know fresh scat that can be sent to a lab out West that can they can be identified there. People have asked me about the genetics of eastern mountain lion. They sent he sent his scent those two samples with his to Wyoming an unfortunate Fish and Game Commission there did not get a positive read on it but send it back to Central Michigan University where they did a nuclear micro satellite DNA analysis and found no significant difference between that scat and other scats that were tested from the Rocky Mountain region. Sam what's the incentive for the government to deny allegedly. Okay. Caller: I do. Here she is talking about how to identify a mountain lion. We'll hear more about the mountain lions impact and the role it plays in the ecosystem. Residents from Bedford to Berlin have been reporting sightings for years. Peter Biello: Yeah well what do you think Pat is. So when we talk about the threshold of evidence required to say for sure you have seen a mountain lion it is rather high. And then just up behind it you know at about 11 o'clock on one side and whatever that would be on the other side it's black. Your support makes this news available to everyone. Just one quick point I think I think when we we talk about these conspiracy theories the real story is that fish and game is an agency that that is short on budget and staff. Love hearing these stories. You don't know what's going on. Caller: So I've been telling this story for five years or so and very few people believe me. So give us a call now. I found a second scat scent both to him. Pat what do you think the mystique of the mountain lion. They create these scrapes where theyre communicating with each other with scent. NHPR is nonprofit and independent. Peter Biello: Well yeah. 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